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Why Glade 3 removes unknown elements
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Dos Santos, Oliveira
2013-03-22 10:07:51 UTC
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Hi everybody,

I'm building applications to experiment several standards defined by EBU. I choose to use Glade to accelerate my developments. I started all with Glade 2 and now I decided to switch to Glade 3. I have quickly fixed the GtkBox troubles to avoid Glade 3 crashes. All was fine except my Gtk::MenuButton... Glade 3 removes them automatically from my XML source each time I open it. Why ???

Glade 2 doesn't support Gtk::MenuButton. So I have converted, into the XML source, a Gtk::Button into a Gtk::MenuButton. It works fine and when I open the file into Glade 2 it returns me a warning message instead of the Gtk::MenuButton with the choice to suppress or not this unknown element (unknown only for Glade, not for the GtkBuilder).

Could you restore this option (ask to user before remove) or add the support for Gtk::MenuButton :-) Or must I continue with Glade 2 ???

Regards

Marco Dos Santos Oliveira
EBU/European Broadcasting Union
Technology and Innovation Department
Tristan Van Berkom
2013-03-22 13:24:42 UTC
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Post by Dos Santos, Oliveira
Hi everybody,
I’m building applications to experiment several standards defined by EBU. I
choose to use Glade to accelerate my developments. I started all with Glade
2 and now I decided to switch to Glade 3. I have quickly fixed the GtkBox
troubles to avoid Glade 3 crashes. All was fine except my Gtk::MenuButton...
Glade 3 removes them automatically from my XML source each time I open it.
Why ???
I think Juan implemented something for that (by storing the unrecognised widget
and re-adding the xml at save time).

Note that 'custom widgets' Glade 2 style is deprecated in favour of just
using a small xml catalog to define the custom widgets you want to
add in your own project (which will show up in Glade's palette).

What version of Glade are you running, have you tried it with 3.14.x ?

Cheers,
-Tristan
Post by Dos Santos, Oliveira
Glade 2 doesn't support Gtk::MenuButton. So I have converted, into the XML
source, a Gtk::Button into a Gtk::MenuButton. It works fine and when I open
the file into Glade 2 it returns me a warning message instead of the
Gtk::MenuButton with the choice to suppress or not this unknown element
(unknown only for Glade, not for the GtkBuilder).
Could you restore this option (ask to user before remove) or add the support
for Gtk::MenuButton :-) Or must I continue with Glade 2 ???
Regards
Marco Dos Santos Oliveira
EBU/European Broadcasting Union
Technology and Innovation Department
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Dos Santos, Oliveira
2013-03-22 13:46:24 UTC
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Hi Tristan,

I'm running on Glade 3.8.3 under Fedora 18 x64. It's the official Fedora release, I didn't built it from the source.

Regards

Marco Dos Santos Oliveira
EBU/European Broadcasting Union
Technology and Innovation Department


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From: Tristan Van Berkom [mailto:***@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 22 mars 2013 14:25
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Subject: Re: [Glade-devel] Why Glade 3 removes unknown elements
Post by Dos Santos, Oliveira
Hi everybody,
I'm building applications to experiment several standards defined by
EBU. I choose to use Glade to accelerate my developments. I started
all with Glade
2 and now I decided to switch to Glade 3. I have quickly fixed the
GtkBox troubles to avoid Glade 3 crashes. All was fine except my Gtk::MenuButton...
Glade 3 removes them automatically from my XML source each time I open it.
Why ???
I think Juan implemented something for that (by storing the unrecognised widget and re-adding the xml at save time).

Note that 'custom widgets' Glade 2 style is deprecated in favour of just using a small xml catalog to define the custom widgets you want to add in your own project (which will show up in Glade's palette).

What version of Glade are you running, have you tried it with 3.14.x ?

Cheers,
-Tristan
Post by Dos Santos, Oliveira
Glade 2 doesn't support Gtk::MenuButton. So I have converted, into the
XML source, a Gtk::Button into a Gtk::MenuButton. It works fine and
when I open the file into Glade 2 it returns me a warning message
instead of the Gtk::MenuButton with the choice to suppress or not this
unknown element (unknown only for Glade, not for the GtkBuilder).
Could you restore this option (ask to user before remove) or add the
support for Gtk::MenuButton :-) Or must I continue with Glade 2 ???
Regards
Marco Dos Santos Oliveira
EBU/European Broadcasting Union
Technology and Innovation Department
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Tristan Van Berkom
2013-03-22 14:08:25 UTC
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Right... that's the last Glade which supports GTK+2.x

Actually Glade >= 3.10 can be used for projects targeting GTK+2 but special
care needs to be taken to avoid using any widgets that are new in GTK+3.

The main reason Glade 3.10 does not support GTK+2 is because Glade >= 3.10
needs to link against GTK+ 3 to provide new widgets and features...

This basically means that Glade >= 3.10 does not have any support for the
removed types which were already deprecated in GTK+ 2.24 (anything
from GTK+2 that is not included in GTK+3, Glade >= 3.10 does not support).

The feature you are looking for was only ever added to Glade as of 3.14.0
(I searched for it and found it in these notes:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/glade/3.14/glade-3.14.0.news)

Since 3.8.x is intended to be supported in the long(ish) term, we do fix bugs
in 3.8 because people need it to work on GTK+2 projects, introducing such
a feature into 3.8 is a kindof grey area (we don't intend to add features to
Glade 3.8.x, just fix bugs, but this feature is perhaps worth backporting).

However, our focus is on delivering the next stable Glade 3.16, and I can't
promise that I will have time to backport that feature... as more people
are switching to GTK+ 3 for new projects, it's becoming less important
(but not less demanding) to pay attention to the old 3.8 branch.

Also... are you sure fedora doesnt have a more recent version ?

Note that Glade 3.8 & Glade 3.14 are parallel installable, this was
ensured so that people can use an older Glade on the same system
to edit GTK+2 based Glade projects as well as newer projects which
use GTK+3.
Post by Dos Santos, Oliveira
Hi Tristan,
I'm running on Glade 3.8.3 under Fedora 18 x64. It's the official Fedora release, I didn't built it from the source.
Regards
Marco Dos Santos Oliveira
EBU/European Broadcasting Union
Technology and Innovation Department
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Sent: vendredi 22 mars 2013 14:25
To: Dos Santos, Oliveira
Subject: Re: [Glade-devel] Why Glade 3 removes unknown elements
Post by Dos Santos, Oliveira
Hi everybody,
I'm building applications to experiment several standards defined by
EBU. I choose to use Glade to accelerate my developments. I started
all with Glade
2 and now I decided to switch to Glade 3. I have quickly fixed the
GtkBox troubles to avoid Glade 3 crashes. All was fine except my Gtk::MenuButton...
Glade 3 removes them automatically from my XML source each time I open it.
Why ???
I think Juan implemented something for that (by storing the unrecognised widget and re-adding the xml at save time).
Note that 'custom widgets' Glade 2 style is deprecated in favour of just using a small xml catalog to define the custom widgets you want to add in your own project (which will show up in Glade's palette).
What version of Glade are you running, have you tried it with 3.14.x ?
Cheers,
-Tristan
Post by Dos Santos, Oliveira
Glade 2 doesn't support Gtk::MenuButton. So I have converted, into the
XML source, a Gtk::Button into a Gtk::MenuButton. It works fine and
when I open the file into Glade 2 it returns me a warning message
instead of the Gtk::MenuButton with the choice to suppress or not this
unknown element (unknown only for Glade, not for the GtkBuilder).
Could you restore this option (ask to user before remove) or add the
support for Gtk::MenuButton :-) Or must I continue with Glade 2 ???
Regards
Marco Dos Santos Oliveira
EBU/European Broadcasting Union
Technology and Innovation Department
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Dos Santos, Oliveira
2013-03-22 15:14:33 UTC
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Thank you Tristan :)

I hadn't seen yet the release 3.14 on yum... arf... now I'm on glade 3.14.2 :-)

I install/update my applications with the yum commandlines... and when I list the "glade3" references, it returns only the 3.8.3... To see the last release of Glade, I must list "glade" only, and then... magic... the 3.14.2 is there :P magic kick in my ass... I feel a bit silly...

Again a great thank Tristan !

Regards

Marco Dos Santos Oliveira
EBU/European Broadcasting Union
Technology and Innovation Department


-----Original Message-----
From: Tristan Van Berkom [mailto:***@gmail.com]
Sent: vendredi 22 mars 2013 15:08
To: Dos Santos, Oliveira
Cc: glade-***@lists.ximian.com
Subject: Re: [Glade-devel] Why Glade 3 removes unknown elements

Right... that's the last Glade which supports GTK+2.x

Actually Glade >= 3.10 can be used for projects targeting GTK+2 but special care needs to be taken to avoid using any widgets that are new in GTK+3.

The main reason Glade 3.10 does not support GTK+2 is because Glade >= 3.10 needs to link against GTK+ 3 to provide new widgets and features...

This basically means that Glade >= 3.10 does not have any support for the removed types which were already deprecated in GTK+ 2.24 (anything from GTK+2 that is not included in GTK+3, Glade >= 3.10 does not support).

The feature you are looking for was only ever added to Glade as of 3.14.0 (I searched for it and found it in these notes:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/glade/3.14/glade-3.14.0.news)

Since 3.8.x is intended to be supported in the long(ish) term, we do fix bugs in 3.8 because people need it to work on GTK+2 projects, introducing such a feature into 3.8 is a kindof grey area (we don't intend to add features to Glade 3.8.x, just fix bugs, but this feature is perhaps worth backporting).

However, our focus is on delivering the next stable Glade 3.16, and I can't promise that I will have time to backport that feature... as more people are switching to GTK+ 3 for new projects, it's becoming less important (but not less demanding) to pay attention to the old 3.8 branch.

Also... are you sure fedora doesnt have a more recent version ?

Note that Glade 3.8 & Glade 3.14 are parallel installable, this was ensured so that people can use an older Glade on the same system to edit GTK+2 based Glade projects as well as newer projects which use GTK+3.
Post by Dos Santos, Oliveira
Hi Tristan,
I'm running on Glade 3.8.3 under Fedora 18 x64. It's the official Fedora release, I didn't built it from the source.
Regards
Marco Dos Santos Oliveira
EBU/European Broadcasting Union
Technology and Innovation Department
-----Original Message-----
Sent: vendredi 22 mars 2013 14:25
To: Dos Santos, Oliveira
Subject: Re: [Glade-devel] Why Glade 3 removes unknown elements
Post by Dos Santos, Oliveira
Hi everybody,
I'm building applications to experiment several standards defined by
EBU. I choose to use Glade to accelerate my developments. I started
all with Glade
2 and now I decided to switch to Glade 3. I have quickly fixed the
GtkBox troubles to avoid Glade 3 crashes. All was fine except my Gtk::MenuButton...
Glade 3 removes them automatically from my XML source each time I open it.
Why ???
I think Juan implemented something for that (by storing the unrecognised widget and re-adding the xml at save time).
Note that 'custom widgets' Glade 2 style is deprecated in favour of just using a small xml catalog to define the custom widgets you want to add in your own project (which will show up in Glade's palette).
What version of Glade are you running, have you tried it with 3.14.x ?
Cheers,
-Tristan
Post by Dos Santos, Oliveira
Glade 2 doesn't support Gtk::MenuButton. So I have converted, into
the XML source, a Gtk::Button into a Gtk::MenuButton. It works fine
and when I open the file into Glade 2 it returns me a warning message
instead of the Gtk::MenuButton with the choice to suppress or not
this unknown element (unknown only for Glade, not for the GtkBuilder).
Could you restore this option (ask to user before remove) or add the
support for Gtk::MenuButton :-) Or must I continue with Glade 2 ???
Regards
Marco Dos Santos Oliveira
EBU/European Broadcasting Union
Technology and Innovation Department
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Juan Pablo Ugarte
2013-09-20 14:10:12 UTC
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Post by Tristan Van Berkom
Right... that's the last Glade which supports GTK+2.x
Actually Glade >= 3.10 can be used for projects targeting GTK+2 but special
care needs to be taken to avoid using any widgets that are new in GTK+3.
The main reason Glade 3.10 does not support GTK+2 is because Glade >= 3.10
needs to link against GTK+ 3 to provide new widgets and features...
This basically means that Glade >= 3.10 does not have any support for the
removed types which were already deprecated in GTK+ 2.24 (anything
from GTK+2 that is not included in GTK+3, Glade >= 3.10 does not support).
The feature you are looking for was only ever added to Glade as of 3.14.0
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/glade/3.14/glade-3.14.0.news)
Since 3.8.x is intended to be supported in the long(ish) term, we do fix bugs
in 3.8 because people need it to work on GTK+2 projects, introducing such
a feature into 3.8 is a kindof grey area (we don't intend to add features to
Glade 3.8.x, just fix bugs, but this feature is perhaps worth backporting).
Ops my bad, I just made a new release glade 3.8.4 and forgot I had a
backport of this feature in my stash I will push it ASAP so you can try
it.

greets

Juan Pablo

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